enigma
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Post by enigma on Mar 25, 2010 20:43:04 GMT
Is anyone else getting either one of these games?
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Post by Someguy on Mar 26, 2010 0:15:19 GMT
Nope. I'm getting the expansion to Dragon Age and then it's me and Oghren tearing shit up, including the new and presumably lame characters, for the next month or so. 'Look out! She's got a handbag!' *BLAMMO* etc.
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Post by McBain on Mar 26, 2010 9:57:41 GMT
Why bother with new pokémon games? There should only be 151 of them, maybe a couple more rare, legendary ones. Other than that, all the subsequent games are shameless cash ins to make sure you never catch them all.
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Post by Someguy on Mar 26, 2010 14:52:13 GMT
YES! Exactly right, Pete. They should have a total cull of all those species beyond 151 and then, for development of the game mechanics, re-rig the level system to be more about raising stats than actual level-caps and the like.
In fact, there was a game called Monster Rancher where such a system was in place. Basically, the monster had a life-span and the training disciplines (one for each stat plus double-edged ones that raised two, but lowered one) determined where its strenghs were, unless raised to be balanced. A system like that for Pokemon, but with a stat-limit rather than an actual life-span, would be ace; you'd have to make choices early on about what kind of pokemon it is (Tank, Damager, etc) and it'd be more involving and varied, rather than having to sink 100+ hours into the game just to stand a chance.
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teabag
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Post by teabag on Mar 26, 2010 18:42:03 GMT
can i point out that in episode one of the anime Ho-oh (2nd gen legendary) had already appeared. And was then referenced later on in something like episode 4. And then by at least episode 50, togepi had been introduced (yet another 2nd gen pokemon). So if you are going on the basis of first gen games are the proper ones, then were are the games before 1999 that gave respect to Togepi and Ho-oh?
And Stewart you do have to choose early for what kind of pokemon you want it to be ie. tank, damager, etc. Its called EV, or effort value, training and it's been a game mechanic since the first generation games.
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Post by Spidey on Mar 26, 2010 18:51:33 GMT
You are all a bunch of nerds, and I feel quite qualified to make this judgement.
If I get this game, it will be because a) I loved Gold when I was a kid, b) the Pokewalker is a cool gimmick, and c) I'll have suddenly come into a sum of money I don't have to pay back.
c) is unlikely to happen any time soon, though.
A'ight, I can't hit post without internet-punching Tom #2: the first-gen games were made in 1995, long before the anime ever arrived, and by the time it did, Gold and Silver were already in production, thus the Ho-oh and Togepi appearances are not, in fact, valid points to your argument.
You're right about the game mechanic thing, though. Stewart, go be a true nerd and read up on that shit before saying Monster Rancher is better.
(Monster Rancher is totally better, though.)
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teabag
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Post by teabag on Mar 26, 2010 19:00:24 GMT
you said c) instead of d)
and i didnt know the production dates of red, blue, yellow and green as i was 3 at the time
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Starlong
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Post by Starlong on Mar 26, 2010 20:07:50 GMT
That's no excuse!. We have the INTERNET at our disposal. Being a Nerd has never been so cheap or easy with all the free information and Emulators/Roms (currently started a game of red... BLISS!) Back in the day, the ones who would be nerdy had to actually BUY material from magazine subscriptions or material bookshops. We are spolied...But as for the topic: I haven't finished Yellow yet, how many games after have I to go?
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Post by McBain on Mar 27, 2010 2:04:58 GMT
Tom 2, Cati was pointing out that c) was unlikely to happen, not making a seperate point.
Also, they're still cash-ins. They're like The Jungle Book 2 or Kronk's New Groove, leeching on the popularity of the originals.
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Post by Someguy on Mar 27, 2010 17:09:39 GMT
I know about the effort system. I levelled my entire team without drugs because of that damn effort system and sunk hundreds of hours into each version of the game. I know what I'm talking about when I call it a glorified power-levelling system that rewards time (pedantic bloody-mindedness, in other words) over strategic thought and skill.
Be a damn sight more interesting if the development system was purely stat-based rather than incremental set rises by level. Though the 'nature' modifier was a nice addition to the latest generation of games it's just too...samey for me. You always know what to expect.
Hm. Maybe my beef with the game is just the sheer amount of time it takes to train a team to catch up with people who've had the game longer. That, and I'm still secretly grieving the loss of my ENTIRE team when the clock thing in Silver wore out or whatever happened to it.
More importantly, that goddamn story-format needs changing. It was great the first time but subsequent games have been simply terrible. It really puts me off buying these games again.
But, yes. Monster Rancher (Monster Rancher 2 over here) was a very good game. I remember the Rocky moment when a starting Zuum I'd picked up from the market went on to beat one of the Elite 4 tournaments, in an epic display of dodging and weaving and chipping away at the opponent, all the while me roaring encouragement at the computer screen. The breeding/merging system was immense, too. What a game that was.
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Post by Spidey on Mar 27, 2010 19:11:04 GMT
But the point is that different stats increase with each level depending on which types of Pokemon you've defeated to get XP. Say, train by fighting only Rattata, your defence increases more; only Pidgey, attack increases more.
I have no idea about specifics though, because I have better things to do with my life.
(...no. No, I don't. But I still don't know specifics.)
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teabag
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Post by teabag on Mar 27, 2010 19:59:01 GMT
You can pretty much guess the effort values fo some pokemon. Ie. Blissey gives 3EV points in HP and Machamp 3 in Attack.
Starlong: What series do you mean? The typical RPG, Handheld only, or all?
Spidey:Pokemon Red and Blue released on September 30th 1998 in USA Pokemon Red and Blue released on May 10th 1999 in EU Episode 1 of Pokemon Series 1 was released on September 8th 1998 in USA
Therefore my arguement was valid. *Returns internet punch to the face*
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Post by Spidey on Mar 27, 2010 20:26:41 GMT
Ugh. Ughhh, I wish you were in actual punching distance. Like. I don't think I can even respond to that dumbassery. Seriously, you're getting punched on Tuesday for being a dumbass, Tom #2.
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teabag
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Post by teabag on Mar 27, 2010 20:36:17 GMT
If I'm there on tuesday . Although I proved my point. Anime first. You were wrong about the release dates. Althought there is probably something im missing here.
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Post by Spidey on Mar 27, 2010 20:51:55 GMT
Could it be maybe the fact that
oh, I don't know
Pokemon is Japanese?
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